Logic

“My Seed Is Broken!” (Glitchless Logic) - Solutions to completing randomized runs of Ocarina of Time can sometimes be unintuitive. While your seed may appear to be unbeatable, this isn’t often the case. Thanks to developers much smarter than myself, OoTR’s logic is surprisingly robust. Listed below are some common sources of confusion, grouped by location. If you don’t mind spoiling the rest of your playthrough, instructions to finding your next step will be listed here.

If you follow these steps and still need help, you’re welcome to ask for support in the #questions-gameplay channel of our Discord Server. Make sure to provide your seed and setting string along with any important details about the issue. If it turns out you have indeed encountered a logical flaw, kind members of our team will report issues from there.

This section of the Wiki is for Glitchless Logic; for more information on Glitched and Entrance Randomizer Logic, please view the Glitched and Entrance Randomizer sections of the Wiki.

It is also to document unusual logic you absolutely must know in a seed to finish a randomizer seed. Racers and individuals who wish to contribute to the randomizer by adding features with logical requirements might want or need to be familiar with the logic on a deeper level. They should view the Advanced Logic page for a better understanding of some of the more difficult to comprehend, but unnecessary to know by heart, logic quirks.

Misconceptions

A lot of randomizer still requires you to meet the vanilla requirements to do certain things. It just so happens that sometimes vanilla takes shortcuts in how it does its logic since it's impossible to do certain things before other events, and sometimes it cannot take those shortcuts due to other reasons. These are the most common issues people have coming over to randomizer from vanilla.

Open the Door of Time

• Playing the Song of Time is the only requirement to opening the Door of Time. This means you only need a Fairy Ocarina and the Song of Time.
  • In 3.0 and prior, if you warp to the Temple of Time with Prelude of Light, you must exit and reenter the Temple for the Song of Time to work correctly.

Ocarina of Time and Song of Time Cutscenes

This is the location near the Castle Town draw bridge that would normally play Zelda & Impa's escape cutscene.

• You must possess all 3 Spiritual Stones when approaching the Draw Bridge as a child to enable the Ocarina of Time location. Zora's Sapphire alone is not enough.

Can't Find the Running Man

• You must possess all 3 Spiritual Stones in order for him to be found running around Hyrule Field. Zora's Sapphire alone is not enough.

Burning Village/Nocturne of Shadow Cutscene

• Forest, Fire, and Water Medallions are needed and you have to enter the village as Adult.

Problem Areas by Location

The rest of this page is about things in the randomizer logic that are unintuitive and do not occur while playing vanilla Ocarina of Time. If you need a reminder of how to progress in the game normally, you should make sure you have played vanilla Ocarina of Time within two weeks prior to playing randomizer the first time.

Kokiri Forest

Obtaining the Ocarina

• Leaving Kokiri Forest towards the Lost Woods Bridge will trigger the game to give you the Ocarina, or the item it is randomized to, regardless of age. When starting as adult this is a commonly missed location.

Lost Woods

Skull Kid won’t buy this sweet Skull Mask

• Skull Kid won’t buy Skull Mask until you befriend him with Saria’s Song.

Sacred Meadow

Saria won't teach you her song in Sacred Meadow

• Speak to Zelda at Hyrule Castle first.

Minuet of Meadow item

• Stand outside the Forest Temple as an adult.

Hyrule Field

Open grottos without Bombs

• Any grotto you can open with Bombs may also be opened with Hammer.
• Some grottos will only reveal themselves when you play Song of Storms.

Hyrule Castle

Wake up Talon

• Wake up Talon with a Cucco from the Weird Egg.

Entering the Castle

• Move the Milk Crates to create a platform you can jump off of to reach the sewer hole along the castle wall. Talon must be woken up first.

Reaching Zelda (Zelda's Lullaby location)

• Enter the Castle during the day, then avoid the guards Line of Sight.

Lon Lon Ranch

Malon won't teach her song (Epona's Song location)

• As a child, show her your Ocarina during the day.

Malon is missing

• Wake Talon up near the Hyrule Castle moat with a Cucco from the Weird Egg.

Talon is missing

• Use the Cucco you got from the Weird Egg to wake Talon up near Hyrule Castle moat to move him to Lon Lon Ranch.

Kakariko Village

Rear Entrance to Impa's House

• Grab a chicken and take it to the incomplete house. Toss it up to the top of the pile of bricks and climb up after it. Once on top of the pile of bricks with the Chicken you can lift up the chicken and fly across to the Scaffolding, from here you follow behind the carpenter until you reach a good position to jump towards the entrance above the chicken coop.

Shooting Gallery gives 50 rupees

• The Fairy Bow/Quiver is required to win the special prize. Otherwise you will receive 50 rupees.

Can’t get onto rooftops without Longshot

• Yes you can. Get a little closer and use the Hookshot.

Song of Storms item

• Show an Ocarina to the Windmill operator as an adult.

Draining Kakariko Well

• Play the Song of Storms to the Windmill Operator as a child.

• Project 64 is known to have issues with this, among other things. For the purposes of this project, we can only recommend using a different emulator such as Bizhawk or RetroArch. This bug most frequently arises when trying to drain the Well at night; attempting it during the day is less likely to cause this crash.

Kakariko Graveyard

Obtaining the Sun's Song item

• Obtained via the Royal Family's Tomb which can be accessed by playing Zelda's Lullaby outside it.

Gerudo Fortress/Valley

Traversing the Gerudo Valley Broken Bridge

• You can cross the Broken Bridge as an Adult by using either Epona to jump it or Long Shotting the sign above the gate on the other side.

Entering Gerudo Training Grounds without being captured

• You must possess the Gerudo Membership Card and also rescue all of the Carpenters they have captured. If the Gerudo Membership Card is shuffled in to the Item Pool then you'll only need to find the card, you don't need to rescue the Carpenters to access the area.

Getting caught without a Hookshot

• Should you be caught by a Gerudo Guard, either inside during combat or outside by being seen, and do not posses a Hookshot, you will be thrown into the valley outside the tent rather into the jail cell from which you could not escape.

Horse archery NPC is missing or won't let you play the mini-game

• To play this minigame you'll need the Fairy Bow, Epona and Gerudo Membership Card. It must also be day time.

Gerudo Training Grounds

Lava room without Longshot

• You can reach the torch at the end of this room using only the Hookshot.

Timed boulder room without Longshot

• The target on the ceiling is just within range of the Hookshot if you stand directly under it.
• A wallmaster can also lift you up into the rupee if it’s the last one you need to collect.

Goron City

Reach Goron City from Lost Woods without Bombs

• You can ignite the Bomb Flowers behind the boulders using Din’s Fire.

Get large rolling Goron to relinquish goods

• Bomb the Goron in the dark tunnel near the sign (Bomb/Bombchu).

In version 4.0 and older the Large Rolling Goron also requires you to be in possession of a Bomb Bag

Boulder Maze without Bombs or Hammer

• Silver Guantlets are effective at clearing a path to each of the chests in the room. This will take some time, however.

Spinning Pottery

• The spinning Goron Pot is activated by lighting the torches surrounding it. This can be accomplished by lighting sticks from Darunia's chamber OR by casting Din's Fire.
• The Spinning Pot has 3 faces - Happy, Neutral, and Mad. Only the Happy face gives a randomized reward; Neutral give 3 bomb refills and Mad gives 3 green rupees.

Zora’s Domain

Access With Silver Scale

• If you have the Silver Scale you can access Zora's Domain as child from Lake Hylia

Need Blue Fire to unfreeze King Zora/Zora shop

• If you have access to Ganon’s Castle, Blue Fire can be found in Water Trial.
• Blue Fire may be a purchasable item for 300 rupees in non-shuffled shops.
• As usual, Blue Fire can be obtained in Ice Cavern.

Lake Hylia

Go fishing

• You require an 8 pound fish as a Child or a 10 pound fish as an Adult.
• You must toss the lure in deep enough water to entice fish to bite. There's a minimum depth required for the mini-game to work, if you toss the Lure in very shallow water the fish may swim around the Lure but never bite.

Get Scarecrow’s Song

• In order to use the Scarecrow’s Song, you must teach it to Bonooru as a child, and remind him again as an adult.

Lake Hylia - Shooting the Sun with an arrow

• You can reach the tall rectangle island without filling the lake by using Scarecrow's Song and Longshot.
• You may not need to complete the Water Temple and raise the water level at Lake Hylia to aquire the item.
• The arrow must be fired at the sun during the early morning as per the written instructions on the stone platform you must fire from.

Temple of Time

Shiek cutscene near the Master Sword (Prelude of Light)

• Obtain the Forest Medallion and return to the Master Sword pedestal as an adult.

Zelda Light Arrow Cutscene

• Enter the Temple of Time with the Shadow and Spirit medallions in your possession.

Death Mountain Crater

Reach the lower Exit

• From the top of the tall ladder you can use the Hover Boots to hover over the boulder blocking the shortcut to Goron City (lower exit). You can also use the Hover Boots at the bottom of the ladder to bypass the Boulder.

Reach the bottom area for Bolero of Fire and access to Fire Temple

• From the top of the tall ladder you can use the Hover Boots to hover over the boulder blocking the shortcut to Goron City (lower exit), and across the dilapidated bridge to reach the Warp Platform & Fire Temple. You can also use the Hover Boots at the bottom of the ladder to bypass the Boulder.
• You can also reach this bottom area with the Longshot by jumping from the upper area onto the lava platforms below and shooting a wooden plank to pull yourself across the pool of lava.

Inside Jabu Jabu's Belly

First Switch

• The switch on the ceiling in the first room of Jabu Jabu's Belly can be hit using explosives.

Forest Temple

Get outside without Song of Time or Bow

• With Hover Boots you can float to the door connecting the large block-pushing room with the courtyard.

Cross to the other courtyard via Well

• With Gold Scale or Iron Boots you can cross from one courtyard to the other through the well

Can’t push large colored blocks as adult, wtf man??

• In the Forest Temple the Goron’s Bracelet is required to push these blocks, even as adult. Link only put on gauntlets to keep his hands from drying out.

Fire Temple

Reach Volvagia without Hammer

• With Hover Boots equipped, it’s a simple matter of floating over to the boss door. That said, you’ll still need the Hammer to defeat the boss.

Skip the topmost locked door

• Similarly to Volvagia, you can skip the topmost locked door by using Hover boots to float over to the pillar. Then you can use the Hammer to open the door leading to the Highest Goron and Hammer Chest.

Water Temple

Boss Key chest without Bombs or Goron’s Bracelet

• Use the Hover Boots to reach the chest.

Getting past the timed gate without Longshot

• After shooting the eye switch, crossing the gap with Hover Boots will get you past the gate before it closes.

Center room’s Gold Skulltula without Longshot

• Cast Farore’s Wind inside the center room. Raise the water to its highest level and perform Farore's Wind again to return to the warp point. Swim to the surface to reach the Gold Skulltula.

I can’t raise the water level (optional)

• With the water level lowered, jump down to the second level of the central structure. This may require savewarping to the beginning of the dungeon to reach. Use the Hookshot to climb onto the top level. With a well-spaced rolling jump you should be able to reach the ledge where you can raise the water to its highest level. This isn't required but it's a handy time saver.

Shadow Temple

First silver rupee room without Hookshot

• You can get to the raised platform in the corner of the room by using the Hover Boots from the nearby low wall.

Spike floor room without Longshot

• Backflip onto the chest spawned in the middle of the room. From there you can use the Hookshot to reach the upper ledge.

Reach the boat without Goron’s Bracelet

• You can bypass pushing the large block by shooting the top of the ladder with a Hookshot.

Reach Bongo Bongo without the Fairy Bow

• Play the Scarecrow’s Song to summon Pierre. Shoot his face with the Longshot to get to the other side.

Desert Colossus

Requiem of Spirit

• Contrary to what's expected, the song you would acquire as an adult after leaving Spirit Temple can also be collected as a child. It is the same requirements as vanilla (Exit Spirit Temple) but normal runs through the game always have you visit as an adult, so this may catch some players unaware if they have never used sequence breaks before. If playing Entrance Randomizer, exit whichever dungeon is placed at Desert Colossus.

Spirit Temple

Lower metal bridge on child side without Boomerang

• You can just barely hit the switch with a well-placed slingshot shot.
• Alternatively, you can hit the crystal switch with a well-timed Bombchu placement in the opposite direction. Hopefully you’ll hit it, or you’ll have to go out and buy more Bombchus.

Map chest without Din’s Fire or Magic

• Child Link is perfectly capable of lighting the torches using only a Deku Stick.

Collect all the silver rupees in the boulder room without Hover Boots

• You can reach the floating rupee by jumping into the boulder with a jump slash, or even without hittng the boulder if you time the jump slash properly.

Silver Gauntlets chest from adult side using Longshot

• With a Longshot, shoot the chest opposite from the Mirror Shield chest to gain access to its contents and the end of child-side.

Boss Key Chest

• The Eye Switch can be accessed by hitting the fake door with something to make it fall over. You do not necessarily need to destroy the fake door.

Ganon’s Castle

Spirit Trial without Fire Arrows

• A precise shot of an arrow through the torch will burn the web to reveal the sunlight. Or moonlight. Maybe it’s a big lamp, idk.

Water Trial Blue Fire

• With your bridge requirement set to Open you may be required to use a bottle to bring Blue Fire to thaw King Zora or, if you have shopsanity active, to open the Zora Shop as adult if you can't access it as child.

Knowing the Way with the Spoiler Log

The spoiler log contains information about your personally randomized copy of the game and can be very helpful when looking for important items you've missed. It takes only a few steps:

• Version 4.0 and 5.0 Web Seeds
  1. Look for the web ID in your ROM's file name. It should be formatted as OoT_WEBID_SEED.z64.
  2. Copy this link into your address bar, but do not click Go or hit Enter yet: https://ootrandomizer.com/seed/get?id=#####
  3. Replace ##### with the web ID for your seed. Now click Go or hit Enter.
  4. Near the top of the page you should see a red button that says "Spoiler Log." Click it to access your spoiler log.
• Versions 1.0 - 3.0 and Standalone Download
  1. Open the spoiler log generated alongside your ROM. It should be formatted as OoT_SETTINGSTR_SEED_Spoiler.txt.
  2. Scroll down to the section labeled Way of the Hero.
  3. Ensure that you have collected all the items listed in the section, as they are essential to beating the game.