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2020-04-14T18:07:04Z

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'''“My Seed Is Broken!” (Glitchless Logic)''' - Solutions to completing randomized runs of ''Ocarina of Time'' can sometimes be unintuitive. While your seed may appear to be unbeatable, this isn’t often the case. Thanks to developers much smarter than myself, OoTR’s logic is surprisingly robust. Listed below are some common sources of confusion, grouped by location. If you don’t mind spoiling the rest of your playthrough, instructions to finding your next step will be listed [[#Knowing_the_Way_with_the_Spoiler_Log|here]].

If you follow these steps and still need help, you’re welcome to ask for support in the [https://discordapp.com/channels/274180765816848384/274186223147417600 #questions-gameplay] channel of our [https://discord.gg/3VJPQNK Discord Server]. Make sure to provide your seed and setting string along with any important details about the issue. If it turns out you have indeed encountered a logical flaw, kind members of our team will report issues from there.

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== Other Logic Pages ==
This section of the Wiki is for Glitchless Logic; for more information on Glitched and Entrance Randomizer Logic, please view the [[Glitched_Logic|Glitched]] and [[Entrance_Randomizer|Entrance Randomizer]] sections of the Wiki.

It is also to document unusual logic you '''absolutely must''' know in a seed to finish a randomizer seed. Racers and individuals who wish to contribute to the randomizer by adding features with logical requirements might want or need to be familiar with the logic on a deeper level. They should view the [[Advanced Logic]] page for a better understanding of some of the more difficult to comprehend, but unnecessary to know by heart, logic quirks.

== Vanilla Help ==
For a quick refresher on the most basic aspects of Ocarina of Time, you should take a look at a couple of [https://strategywiki.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Ocarina_of_Time/Getting_Started Getting Started pages for Ocarina of Time].

If you are new to randomizer, you really should reacquaint yourself with vanilla before playing. If you haven't played Ocarina of Time in the past few weeks, even if you've played it many times in the past, it is recommended you give vanilla a quick playthrough again before attempting randomizer. If you get stuck while going through vanilla you should use a guide such as [https://strategywiki.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Ocarina_of_Time/Table_of_Contents the StrategyWiki] or [https://www.zeldadungeon.net/ocarina-of-time-walkthrough/ Zelda Dungeon] guides. You '''must''' know how to beat vanilla to even have a chance of beating randomizer.

==== Minuet of Meadow item ====

*Stand outside the Forest Temple as an adult.

==== Wake up Talon ====

*Wake up Talon with a Cucco from the Weird Egg.

==== Entering the Castle ====

*Move the Milk Crates to create a platform you can jump off of to reach the sewer hole along the castle wall. Talon must be woken up first.

==== Reaching Zelda (Zelda's Lullaby location) ====

*Enter the Castle during the day, then avoid the guards Line of Sight.

==== Malon won't teach her song (Epona's Song location) ====

*As a child, show her your Ocarina during the day.

==== Song of Storms item ====

* Show an Ocarina to the Windmill operator as an adult.

==== Obtaining the Sun's Song item ====

*Obtained via the Royal Family's Tomb which can be accessed by playing Zelda's Lullaby outside it.

==== Spinning Pottery ====

*The spinning Goron Pot is activated by lighting the torches surrounding it. This can be accomplished by lighting sticks from Darunia's chamber OR by casting Din's Fire.
*The Spinning Pot has 3 faces - Happy, Neutral, and Mad. Only the Happy face gives a randomized reward; Neutral give 3 bomb refills and Mad gives 3 green rupees.

==== Get Scarecrow’s Song ====

*In order to use the Scarecrow’s Song, you must teach it to Bonooru as a child, and remind him again as an adult.

==== Stuck without warp songs ====

If you save and quit outside the dungeon, reloading the game will put you at the Temple of Time (if adult) or Link's house (if child).

==== Opening Grottos Without Bombs ====
Any grotto you can open with Bombs may also be opened with Hammer, however some grottos will only reveal themselves when you play Song of Storms.

== Misunderstood Vanilla Mechanics ==
A lot of randomizer still requires you to meet the vanilla requirements to do certain things. It just so happens that sometimes vanilla takes shortcuts in how it does its logic since it's impossible to do certain things before other events, and sometimes it cannot take those shortcuts due to other reasons. These are the most common issues people have coming over to randomizer from vanilla.

=== Skull Kid Ignores the Skull Mask ===
Skull Kid won’t buy Skull Mask until you befriend him with Saria’s Song.

=== Saria Missing from Sacred Forest Meadow ===
Saria won't teach you her song until you have Zelda's Letter or later in the child trade sequence in your inventory. You need to wake up Talon and obtain the Letter before you can obtain Saria's Song.

=== Ocarina of Time and Song of Time Cutscenes ===
This is the location near the Castle Town draw bridge that would normally play Zelda & Impa's escape cutscene. You must possess all 3 Spiritual Stones when approaching the Draw Bridge as a child to enable the Ocarina of Time location. Zora's Sapphire alone is not enough.

=== Can't Find the Running Man ===
You must possess all 3 Spiritual Stones in order for him to be found running around Hyrule Field. Zora's Sapphire alone is not enough.

=== Open the Door of Time ===
Playing the Song of Time is the only requirement to opening the Door of Time. This means you only need a Fairy Ocarina and the Song of Time.
* In 3.0 and prior, if you warp to the Temple of Time with Prelude of Light, you must exit and reenter the Temple for the Song of Time to work correctly.

=== Big Poe Hunt ===
Without Epona there is a 1/4 (25%) chance of a Big Poe spawning as you pass by their spawn areas. While on Epona there is a 100% chance that the powe that spawns will be a Big Poe. Due to this, default logic does not expect you to hunt big poes without Epona. You may be expected by logic to find them as the random contents of bottles you find if the Big Poe Count setting is set low enough for them to matter.

=== Burning Village/Nocturne of Shadow Cutscene ===
The Forest, Fire, and Water Medallions are needed and you have to enter the village as Adult.

=== Requiem of Spirit ===

Contrary to what's expected, the song you would acquire as an adult after leaving Spirit Temple can also be collected as a child. It is the same requirements as vanilla (Exit Spirit Temple) but normal runs through the game always have you visit as an adult, so this may catch some players unaware if they have never used sequence breaks before. If playing Entrance Randomizer, exit whichever dungeon is placed at Desert Colossus.

=== Zelda Light Arrow Cutscene ===
Entering the Temple of Time with the Shadow and Spirit medallions in your possession will give you the item that has replaced the Light Arrows location.

== Vanilla Mechanics Changed by Randomizer ==
Randomizer has also changed some vanilla mechanics in an attempt to make randomization of certain elements more valuable. If you are ''very'' familiar with Ocarina of Time you may want to take note of these following differences.

=== Ocarina Memory Game ===
Randomizer changed this mini-game to only need to be done once, and only with the 5 note version of the mini-game to obtain the item.

=== Malon or Talon Missing from Ranch ===
Malon and Talon normally appear in Lon Lon Ranch after you have spoken to Zelda and gotten Zelda's Letter. Due to Weird Egg being able to be shuffled some changes have had to be made to this to avoid softlocks. Waking Talon up at Hyrule Castle with the Cucco from the Weird Egg and obtaining Zelda's Letter will have him appear at the ranch. Malon will also appear at the ranch after this if Weird Egg is not shuffled. If Weird Egg is shuffled, she will not appear at the ranch until you have obtained the item that replaces the Weird Egg from her.

=== Dampe's Heart-Pounding Gravedigging Tour ===
Dampe is no longer a random number of attempts and will dig up the Heart Piece on the first attempt. You don't even have to be over a dirt patch. There is also a bug in vanilla where if you leave the area before picking up the Heart Piece it is lost forever. The randomizer has mostly solved this issue, just don't die before picking up the Heart Piece. This seems to do the same thing the vanilla bug does, but isn't handled properly by the randomizer yet.

=== Sheik at Temple ===
The Sheik cutscene at the Master Sword pedestal to obtain Prelude of Light has been changed from beating Forest Temple to obtaining the Forest Medallion. Once you have the Forest Medallion, approaching the pedestal as adult either from the door of time, or from pulling the sword out as child will give you the reward.

== Forest ==
This area covers '''Kokiri Forest''', '''The Lost Woods''', and '''The Sacred Forest Meadow'''.

=== Closed Forest ===
If you have chosen to play with the Open Forest setting set to "Closed Forest" then you are not intended to leave the forest until you have beaten Gohma in the Great Deku Tree. Even if you an ocarina, bombs or a Silver Scale, you must not leave the forest through the Lost Woods or a warp song. Your Kokiri Sword will be somewhere in these forest areas, and the shop will have a repeatably purchasable Deku Shield for you even with Shopsanity active.

Your Slingshot may appear anywhere in these forest areas ''or'' [[#Deku Tree|The Great Deku Tree]].

You may have to access hidden grottos. In version 5.1 and prior you were required to do this without any hint as to where they are located, but as of 5.2 you should obtain the Stone of Agony before you are expected to find these locations, as long as you don't activate the trick that removes the SoA requirement.

If you are playing with Tokensanity, you can access the Gold Skulltulas in the dirt patches by going into the Lost Woods and jump slashing the bushes outside of the Goron City warp. This will release bugs that you can catch in a bottle and use in the dirt patches. Since your sword can be in one of these dirt patches, you'll need to keep this in mind.

== Kakariko Village ==

=== Rear Entrance to Impa's House as Child ===
Grab a chicken and take it to the incomplete house. Toss it up to the top of the pile of bricks and climb up after it. Once on top of the pile of bricks with the Chicken you can lift up the chicken and fly across to the Scaffolding, from here you follow behind the carpenter until you reach a good position to jump towards the entrance above the chicken coop.

=== Shooting Gallery gives 50 rupees ===
The Fairy Bow/Quiver is required to win the special prize. Otherwise you will receive 50 rupees.

=== Can’t get onto rooftops without Longshot ===
Yes you can. Get a little closer and use the Hookshot.

=== Draining Kakariko Well ===
Play the Song of Storms to the Windmill Operator as a child.

*Project 64 is known to have issues with this, among other things. For the purposes of this project, we can only recommend using a different emulator such as [[Bizhawk]] or [[Retroarch]]. ''This bug most frequently arises when trying to drain the Well at night; attempting it during the day is less likely to cause this crash.''

=== Freestanding PoH in Windmill ===
The freestanding heart piece in the windmill doesn't always require an ocarina or the Song of Time. You can use the boomerang to grab the item here. There is also a trick to reach it with no other items required.

== Gerudo Fortress/Valley ==

=== Traversing the Gerudo Valley Broken Bridge ===
You can cross the Broken Bridge as an Adult by using either Epona to jump it or using the Longshot on the sign above the gate on the other side.

=== Entering Gerudo Training Grounds without being captured ===
You must possess the Gerudo Membership Card and also rescue all of the Carpenters they have captured. If the Gerudo Membership Card is shuffled in to the Item Pool then you'll only need to find the card, you don't need to rescue the Carpenters to access the area.

=== Getting caught without a Hookshot ===
Should you be caught by a Gerudo Guard, either inside during combat or outside by being seen, and do not posses a Hookshot, you will be thrown into the valley outside the tent rather into the jail cell from which you could not escape.

=== Horse archery NPC is missing or won't let you play the mini-game ===
To play this minigame you'll need the Fairy Bow, Epona and Gerudo Membership Card. It must also be day time.

=== Gerudo Training Grounds ===

=== Lava room without Longshot ===
You can reach the torch at the end of this room using only the Hookshot.

=== Timed boulder room without Longshot ===
The target on the ceiling is just within range of the Hookshot if you stand directly under it. A wallmaster can also lift you up into the rupee if it’s the last one you need to collect.

== Goron City ==

=== Reach Goron City from Lost Woods without Bombs ===
You can ignite the Bomb Flowers behind the boulders using Din’s Fire. Alternatively, if Adult Link destroys the boulders (with Hammer, Strength, or Bow) they'll be destroyed in the past so Child Link can enter.

=== Get large rolling Goron to relinquish goods ===
Bomb the Goron in the dark tunnel near the sign (Bomb/Bombchu).

''In version 4.0 and older the Large Rolling Goron also requires you to be in possession of a Bomb Bag''

=== Boulder Maze without Bombs or Hammer ===
Silver Guantlets are effective at clearing a path to each of the chests in the room. This will take some time, however.

== Zora’s Domain ==

=== Access With Silver Scale ===
If you have the Silver Scale you can access Zora's Domain as child from Lake Hylia

=== Need Blue Fire to unfreeze King Zora/Zora shop ===
If you have access to Ganon’s Castle, Blue Fire can be found in Water Trial. Blue Fire may be a purchasable item for 300 rupees in shops.

== Lake Hylia ==

=== Go fishing ===
You require an 8 pound fish as a Child or a 10 pound fish as an Adult. You must toss the lure in deep enough water to entice fish to bite. There's a minimum depth required for the mini-game to work, if you toss the Lure in very shallow water the fish may swim around the Lure but never bite.

=== Lake Hylia - Shooting the Sun with an arrow ===
You can reach the tall rectangle island without filling the lake by using Scarecrow's Song and Longshot. You may not need to complete the Water Temple and raise the water level at Lake Hylia to aquire the item. The arrow must be fired at the sun during the early morning as per the written instructions on the stone platform you must fire from.

== Death Mountain Crater ==

=== Reach the lower Exit ===
From the top of the tall ladder you can use the Hover Boots to hover over the boulder blocking the shortcut to Goron City (lower exit). You can also use the Hover Boots at the bottom of the ladder to bypass the Boulder.

=== Reach the bottom area for Bolero of Fire and access to Fire Temple ===
From the top of the tall ladder you can use the Hover Boots to hover over the boulder blocking the shortcut to Goron City (lower exit), and across the dilapidated bridge to reach the Warp Platform & Fire Temple. You can also use the Hover Boots at the bottom of the ladder to bypass the Boulder.
*You can also reach this bottom area with the Longshot by jumping from the upper area onto the lava platforms below and shooting a wooden plank to pull yourself across the pool of lava.

== Deku Tree ==
=== Access F3 Without Slingshot ===
You are not required to have the slingshot to get to the top floor of the Deku Tree. In fact in Master Quest you don't get the slingshot until you have climbed all the way up the tree in the first place. Skulltulas won't rush you if you are not moving. You can sneak past them while they are not looking at you.

=== Two Chests In Slingshot Room ===
In vanilla deku tree there are two chests in the Slingshot room. The first is the obvious one that has the slingshot, but there are vines to the left of it that you can climb to access a second chest that normally only has a recovery heart.

== Inside Jabu Jabu's Belly ==

=== First Switch ===
The switch on the ceiling in the first room of Jabu Jabu's Belly can be hit using explosives.

== Forest Temple ==

=== Get outside without Song of Time or Bow ===
With Hover Boots you can float to the door connecting the large block-pushing room with the courtyard.

=== Cross to the other courtyard via Well ===
With Gold Scale or Iron Boots you can cross from one courtyard to the other through the well

=== Can’t push large colored blocks as adult ===
In the Forest Temple the Goron’s Bracelet is required to push these blocks, even as adult. Link only put on gauntlets to keep his hands from drying out.

== Fire Temple ==

=== Can’t push large colored blocks as adult ===
In the Fire Temple the Goron’s Bracelet is required to push these blocks, even as adult. Link only put on gauntlets to keep his hands from drying out.

=== Reach Volvagia without Hammer ===
With Hover Boots equipped, it’s a simple matter of floating over to the boss door. That said, you’ll still need the Hammer to defeat the boss.

=== Skip the topmost locked door ===
Similarly to Volvagia, you can skip the topmost locked door by using Hover boots to float over to the pillar. Then you can use the Hammer to open the door leading to the Highest Goron and Hammer Chest.

== Water Temple ==

=== Boss Key chest without Bombs or Goron’s Bracelet ===
Use the Hover Boots to reach the chest.

=== Getting past the timed gate without Longshot ===
After shooting the eye switch, crossing the gap with Hover Boots will get you past the gate before it closes.

=== Center room’s Gold Skulltula without Longshot ===
Cast Farore’s Wind inside the center room. Raise the water to its highest level and perform Farore's Wind again to return to the warp point. Swim to the surface to reach the Gold Skulltula.

=== I can’t raise the water level ===
''This is only relevant prior to version 4.0 of randomizer''

With the water level lowered, jump down to the second level of the central structure. This may require savewarping to the beginning of the dungeon to reach. Use the Hookshot to climb onto the top level. With a well-spaced rolling jump you should be able to reach the ledge where you can raise the water to its highest level. This isn't required but it's a handy time saver.

== Shadow Temple ==

=== First silver rupee room without Hookshot ===
You can get to the raised platform in the corner of the room by using the Hover Boots from the nearby low wall.

=== Spike floor room without Longshot ===
Backflip onto the chest spawned in the middle of the room. From there you can use the Hookshot to reach the upper ledge.

=== Reach the boat without Goron’s Bracelet ===
You can bypass pushing the large block by shooting the top of the ladder with a Hookshot.

=== Reach Bongo Bongo without the Fairy Bow ===
Play the Scarecrow’s Song to summon Pierre. Shoot his face with the Longshot to get to the other side.

== Spirit Temple ==

=== Lower metal bridge on child side without Boomerang ===
You can just barely hit the switch with a well-placed slingshot shot. Alternatively, you can hit the crystal switch with a well-timed Bombchu placement in the opposite direction. Hopefully you’ll hit it, or you’ll have to go out and buy more Bombchus.

=== Map chest without Din’s Fire or Magic ===
Child Link is perfectly capable of lighting the torches using only a Deku Stick.

=== Collect all the silver rupees in the boulder room without Hover Boots ===
You can reach the floating rupee by jumping into the boulder with a jump slash, or even without hittng the boulder if you time the jump slash properly.

=== Silver Gauntlets chest from adult side using Longshot ===
With a Longshot, shoot the chest opposite from the Mirror Shield chest to gain access to its contents and the end of child-side.

=== Boss Key Chest ===
The Eye Switch can be accessed by hitting the fake door with something to make it fall over. You do not necessarily need to destroy the fake door.

== Ganon’s Castle ==

=== Spirit Trial without Fire Arrows ===
A precise shot of an arrow through the torch will burn the web to reveal the sunlight. Or moonlight. Maybe it’s a big lamp, idk.

=== Water Trial Blue Fire ===
With your bridge requirement set to Open you may be required to use a bottle to bring Blue Fire to thaw King Zora or, if you have shopsanity active, to open the Zora Shop as adult if you can't access it as child.

== Knowing the Way with the Spoiler Log ==

The spoiler log contains information about your personally randomized copy of the game and can be very helpful when looking for important items you've missed. It takes only a few steps:

'''Website Seeds'''
*[[Frequently_Asked_Questions#How_Do_I_Find_My_Spoiler_Log_Again.3F|How do I find my spoiler log again?]]

'''Versions 1.0 - 3.0 and Standalone Download'''
#Open the spoiler log generated alongside your ROM. It should be formatted as <code>OoT_SETTINGSTR_SEED_Spoiler.txt</code>.
#Scroll down to the section labeled ''Way of the Hero''.
#Ensure that you have collected all the items listed in the section, as they are essential to beating the game.

Logic

2020-03-19T00:01:45Z

Aspeon:

'''“My Seed Is Broken!” (Glitchless Logic)''' - Solutions to completing randomized runs of ''Ocarina of Time'' can sometimes be unintuitive. While your seed may appear to be unbeatable, this isn’t often the case. Thanks to developers much smarter than myself, OoTR’s logic is surprisingly robust. Listed below are some common sources of confusion, grouped by location. If you don’t mind spoiling the rest of your playthrough, instructions to finding your next step will be listed [[#Knowing_the_Way_with_the_Spoiler_Log|here]].

If you follow these steps and still need help, you’re welcome to ask for support in the [https://discordapp.com/channels/274180765816848384/274186223147417600 #questions-gameplay] channel of our [https://discord.gg/3VJPQNK Discord Server]. Make sure to provide your seed and setting string along with any important details about the issue. If it turns out you have indeed encountered a logical flaw, kind members of our team will report issues from there.

''This section of the Wiki is for Glitchless Logic; for more information on Glitched and Entrance Randomizer Logic, please view the [[Glitched_Logic|Glitched]] and [[Entrance_Randomizer|Entrance Randomizer]] sections of the Wiki.''

''It is also to document unusual logic you '''absolutely must''' know in a seed to finish a randomizer seed. Racers and individuals who wish to contribute to the randomizer by adding features with logical requirements might want or need to be familiar with the logic on a deeper level. They should view the [[Advanced Logic]] page for a better understanding of some of the more difficult to comprehend, but unnecessary to know by heart, logic quirks.''

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== Misconceptions ==
A lot of randomizer still requires you to meet the vanilla requirements to do certain things. It just so happens that sometimes vanilla takes shortcuts in how it does its logic since it's impossible to do certain things before other events, and sometimes it cannot take those shortcuts due to other reasons. These are the most common issues people have coming over to randomizer from vanilla.

=== Open the Door of Time ===
* Playing the Song of Time is the only requirement to opening the Door of Time. This means you only need a Fairy Ocarina and the Song of Time.
** In 3.0 and prior, if you warp to the Temple of Time with Prelude of Light, you must exit and reenter the Temple for the Song of Time to work correctly.

=== Ocarina of Time and Song of Time Cutscenes ===
This is the location near the Castle Town draw bridge that would normally play Zelda & Impa's escape cutscene.

* You must possess all 3 Spiritual Stones when approaching the Draw Bridge as a child to enable the Ocarina of Time location. Zora's Sapphire alone is not enough.

=== Can't Find the Running Man ===
* You must possess all 3 Spiritual Stones in order for him to be found running around Hyrule Field. Zora's Sapphire alone is not enough.

=== Burning Village/Nocturne of Shadow Cutscene ===
* Forest, Fire, and Water Medallions are needed and you have to enter the village as Adult.

== Problem Areas by Location ==
The rest of this page is about things in the randomizer logic that are unintuitive and do not occur while playing vanilla Ocarina of Time. If you need a reminder of how to progress in the game normally, you should make sure you have played vanilla Ocarina of Time within two weeks prior to playing randomizer the first time.

=== Kokiri Forest ===

==== Obtaining the Ocarina ====

*Leaving Kokiri Forest towards the Lost Woods Bridge will trigger the game to give you the Ocarina, or the item it is randomized to, regardless of age. When starting as adult this is a commonly missed location.

=== Lost Woods ===

==== Skull Kid won’t buy this sweet Skull Mask ====

*Skull Kid won’t buy Skull Mask until you befriend him with Saria’s Song.

=== Sacred Meadow ===

==== Saria won't teach you her song in Sacred Meadow ====

*Speak to Zelda at Hyrule Castle first.

==== Minuet of Meadow item ====

*Stand outside the Forest Temple as an adult.

=== Hyrule Field ===

==== Open grottos without Bombs ====

*Any grotto you can open with Bombs may also be opened with Hammer.
*Some grottos will only reveal themselves when you play Song of Storms.

=== Hyrule Castle ===

==== Wake up Talon ====

*Wake up Talon with a Cucco from the Weird Egg.

==== Entering the Castle ====

*Move the Milk Crates to create a platform you can jump off of to reach the sewer hole along the castle wall. Talon must be woken up first.

==== Reaching Zelda (Zelda's Lullaby location) ====

*Enter the Castle during the day, then avoid the guards Line of Sight.

=== Lon Lon Ranch ===

==== Malon won't teach her song (Epona's Song location) ====

*As a child, show her your Ocarina during the day.

==== Malon is missing ====

* Wake Talon up near the Hyrule Castle moat with a Cucco from the Weird Egg.

==== Talon is missing ====

*Use the Cucco you got from the Weird Egg to wake Talon up near Hyrule Castle moat to move him to Lon Lon Ranch.

=== Kakariko Village ===

==== Rear Entrance to Impa's House as Child ====

*Grab a chicken and take it to the incomplete house. Toss it up to the top of the pile of bricks and climb up after it. Once on top of the pile of bricks with the Chicken you can lift up the chicken and fly across to the Scaffolding, from here you follow behind the carpenter until you reach a good position to jump towards the entrance above the chicken coop.

==== Shooting Gallery gives 50 rupees ====

*The Fairy Bow/Quiver is required to win the special prize. Otherwise you will receive 50 rupees.

==== Can’t get onto rooftops without Longshot ====

*Yes you can. Get a little closer and use the Hookshot.

==== Song of Storms item ====

* Show an Ocarina to the Windmill operator as an adult.

==== Draining Kakariko Well ====

*Play the Song of Storms to the Windmill Operator as a child.

*Project 64 is known to have issues with this, among other things. For the purposes of this project, we can only recommend using a different emulator such as [[Bizhawk|Bizhawk]] or [[Retroarch|RetroArch]]. ''This bug most frequently arises when trying to drain the Well at night; attempting it during the day is less likely to cause this crash.''

=== Kakariko Graveyard ===

==== Obtaining the Sun's Song item ====

*Obtained via the Royal Family's Tomb which can be accessed by playing Zelda's Lullaby outside it.

=== Gerudo Fortress/Valley ===

==== Traversing the Gerudo Valley Broken Bridge ====

*You can cross the Broken Bridge as an Adult by using either Epona to jump it or Long Shotting the sign above the gate on the other side.

==== Entering Gerudo Training Grounds without being captured ====

*You must possess the Gerudo Membership Card and also rescue all of the Carpenters they have captured. If the Gerudo Membership Card is shuffled in to the Item Pool then you'll only need to find the card, you don't need to rescue the Carpenters to access the area.

==== Getting caught without a Hookshot ====

*Should you be caught by a Gerudo Guard, either inside during combat or outside by being seen, and do not posses a Hookshot, you will be thrown into the valley outside the tent rather into the jail cell from which you could not escape.

==== Horse archery NPC is missing or won't let you play the mini-game ====

*To play this minigame you'll need the Fairy Bow, Epona and Gerudo Membership Card. It must also be day time.

=== Gerudo Training Grounds ===

==== Lava room without Longshot ====

*You can reach the torch at the end of this room using only the Hookshot.

==== Timed boulder room without Longshot ====

*The target on the ceiling is just within range of the Hookshot if you stand directly under it.
*A wallmaster can also lift you up into the rupee if it’s the last one you need to collect.

=== Goron City ===

==== Reach Goron City from Lost Woods without Bombs ====

*You can ignite the Bomb Flowers behind the boulders using Din’s Fire.

==== Get large rolling Goron to relinquish goods ====

*Bomb the Goron in the dark tunnel near the sign (Bomb/Bombchu).

''In version 4.0 and older the Large Rolling Goron also requires you to be in possession of a Bomb Bag''

==== Boulder Maze without Bombs or Hammer ====

*Silver Guantlets are effective at clearing a path to each of the chests in the room. This will take some time, however.

==== Spinning Pottery ====

*The spinning Goron Pot is activated by lighting the torches surrounding it. This can be accomplished by lighting sticks from Darunia's chamber OR by casting Din's Fire.
*The Spinning Pot has 3 faces - Happy, Neutral, and Mad. Only the Happy face gives a randomized reward; Neutral give 3 bomb refills and Mad gives 3 green rupees.

=== Zora’s Domain ===

==== Access With Silver Scale ====

*If you have the Silver Scale you can access Zora's Domain as child from Lake Hylia

==== Need Blue Fire to unfreeze King Zora/Zora shop ====

*If you have access to Ganon’s Castle, Blue Fire can be found in Water Trial.
*Blue Fire may be a purchasable item for 300 rupees in non-shuffled shops.
*As usual, Blue Fire can be obtained in Ice Cavern.

=== Ice Cavern ===

==== Serenade of Water location ====

=== Lake Hylia ===

==== Go fishing ====

*You require an 8 pound fish as a Child or a 10 pound fish as an Adult.
*You must toss the lure in deep enough water to entice fish to bite. There's a minimum depth required for the mini-game to work, if you toss the Lure in very shallow water the fish may swim around the Lure but never bite.

==== Get Scarecrow’s Song ====

*In order to use the Scarecrow’s Song, you must teach it to Bonooru as a child, and remind him again as an adult.

==== Lake Hylia - Shooting the Sun with an arrow ====

*You can reach the tall rectangle island without filling the lake by using Scarecrow's Song and Longshot.
*You may not need to complete the Water Temple and raise the water level at Lake Hylia to aquire the item.
*The arrow must be fired at the sun during the early morning as per the written instructions on the stone platform you must fire from.

=== Temple of Time ===

==== Shiek cutscene near the Master Sword (Prelude of Light) ====

*Obtain the Forest Medallion and return to the Master Sword pedestal as an adult.

==== Zelda Light Arrow Cutscene ====

*Enter the Temple of Time with the Shadow and Spirit medallions in your possession.

=== Death Mountain Crater ===

==== Reach the lower Exit ====
*From the top of the tall ladder you can use the Hover Boots to hover over the boulder blocking the shortcut to Goron City (lower exit). You can also use the Hover Boots at the bottom of the ladder to bypass the Boulder.

==== Reach the bottom area for Bolero of Fire and access to Fire Temple ====

*From the top of the tall ladder you can use the Hover Boots to hover over the boulder blocking the shortcut to Goron City (lower exit), and across the dilapidated bridge to reach the Warp Platform & Fire Temple. You can also use the Hover Boots at the bottom of the ladder to bypass the Boulder.
*You can also reach this bottom area with the Longshot by jumping from the upper area onto the lava platforms below and shooting a wooden plank to pull yourself across the pool of lava.

=== Deku Tree ===

=== Dodongo's Cavern ===

=== Inside Jabu Jabu's Belly ===

==== First Switch ====

*The switch on the ceiling in the first room of Jabu Jabu's Belly can be hit using explosives.

=== Forest Temple ===

==== Get outside without Song of Time or Bow ====

*With Hover Boots you can float to the door connecting the large block-pushing room with the courtyard.

==== Cross to the other courtyard via Well ====

*With Gold Scale or Iron Boots you can cross from one courtyard to the other through the well

==== Can’t push large colored blocks as adult, wtf man?? ====

*In the Forest Temple the Goron’s Bracelet is required to push these blocks, even as adult. Link only put on gauntlets to keep his hands from drying out.

=== Fire Temple ===

==== Reach Volvagia without Hammer ====

*With Hover Boots equipped, it’s a simple matter of floating over to the boss door. That said, you’ll still need the Hammer to defeat the boss.

==== Skip the topmost locked door ====

*Similarly to Volvagia, you can skip the topmost locked door by using Hover boots to float over to the pillar. Then you can use the Hammer to open the door leading to the Highest Goron and Hammer Chest.

=== Water Temple ===

==== Boss Key chest without Bombs or Goron’s Bracelet ====

*Use the Hover Boots to reach the chest.

==== Getting past the timed gate without Longshot ====

*After shooting the eye switch, crossing the gap with Hover Boots will get you past the gate before it closes.

==== Center room’s Gold Skulltula without Longshot ====

*Cast Farore’s Wind inside the center room. Raise the water to its highest level and perform Farore's Wind again to return to the warp point. Swim to the surface to reach the Gold Skulltula.

==== I can’t raise the water level (optional) ====

*With the water level lowered, jump down to the second level of the central structure. This may require savewarping to the beginning of the dungeon to reach. Use the Hookshot to climb onto the top level. With a well-spaced rolling jump you should be able to reach the ledge where you can raise the water to its highest level. This isn't required but it's a handy time saver.

=== Shadow Temple ===

==== First silver rupee room without Hookshot ====

*You can get to the raised platform in the corner of the room by using the Hover Boots from the nearby low wall.

==== Spike floor room without Longshot ====

*Backflip onto the chest spawned in the middle of the room. From there you can use the Hookshot to reach the upper ledge.

==== Reach the boat without Goron’s Bracelet ====

*You can bypass pushing the large block by shooting the top of the ladder with a Hookshot.

==== Reach Bongo Bongo without the Fairy Bow ====

*Play the Scarecrow’s Song to summon Pierre. Shoot his face with the Longshot to get to the other side.

=== Desert Colossus ===

==== Requiem of Spirit ====

*Contrary to what's expected, the song you would acquire as an adult after leaving Spirit Temple can also be collected as a child. It is the same requirements as vanilla (Exit Spirit Temple) but normal runs through the game always have you visit as an adult, so this may catch some players unaware if they have never used sequence breaks before. If playing Entrance Randomizer, exit whichever dungeon is placed at Desert Colossus.

==== Stuck without other warp songs ====

If you save and quit outside the dungeon, reloading the game will put you at the Temple of Time (if adult) or Link's house (if child).

=== Spirit Temple ===

==== Lower metal bridge on child side without Boomerang ====

*You can just barely hit the switch with a well-placed slingshot shot.
*Alternatively, you can hit the crystal switch with a well-timed Bombchu placement in the opposite direction. Hopefully you’ll hit it, or you’ll have to go out and buy more Bombchus.

==== Map chest without Din’s Fire or Magic ====

*Child Link is perfectly capable of lighting the torches using only a Deku Stick.

==== Collect all the silver rupees in the boulder room without Hover Boots ====

*You can reach the floating rupee by jumping into the boulder with a jump slash, or even without hittng the boulder if you time the jump slash properly.

==== Silver Gauntlets chest from adult side using Longshot ====

*With a Longshot, shoot the chest opposite from the Mirror Shield chest to gain access to its contents and the end of child-side.

==== Boss Key Chest ====

*The Eye Switch can be accessed by hitting the fake door with something to make it fall over. You do not necessarily need to destroy the fake door.

=== Ganon’s Castle ===

==== Spirit Trial without Fire Arrows ====

*A precise shot of an arrow through the torch will burn the web to reveal the sunlight. Or moonlight. Maybe it’s a big lamp, idk.

==== Water Trial Blue Fire ====

*With your bridge requirement set to Open you may be required to use a bottle to bring Blue Fire to thaw King Zora or, if you have shopsanity active, to open the Zora Shop as adult if you can't access it as child.

== Knowing the Way with the Spoiler Log ==

The spoiler log contains information about your personally randomized copy of the game and can be very helpful when looking for important items you've missed. It takes only a few steps:

*'''Version 4.0 and 5.0 Web Seeds'''
*#Look for the web ID in your ROM's file name. It should be formatted as <code>OoT_WEBID_SEED.z64</code>.
*#Copy this link into your address bar, but do not click Go or hit Enter yet: <code><nowiki>https://ootrandomizer.com/seed/get?id=#####</nowiki></code>
*#Replace <code>#####</code> with the web ID for your seed. Now click Go or hit Enter.
*#Near the top of the page you should see a red button that says "Spoiler Log." Click it to access your spoiler log.
*'''Versions 1.0 - 3.0 and Standalone Download'''
*#Open the spoiler log generated alongside your ROM. It should be formatted as <code>OoT_SETTINGSTR_SEED_Spoiler.txt</code>.
*#Scroll down to the section labeled ''Way of the Hero''.
*#Ensure that you have collected all the items listed in the section, as they are essential to beating the game.

Logic

2020-03-09T22:54:51Z

Aspeon: /* Rear Entrance to Impa's House */

'''“My Seed Is Broken!” (Glitchless Logic)''' - Solutions to completing randomized runs of ''Ocarina of Time'' can sometimes be unintuitive. While your seed may appear to be unbeatable, this isn’t often the case. Thanks to developers much smarter than myself, OoTR’s logic is surprisingly robust. Listed below are some common sources of confusion, grouped by location. If you don’t mind spoiling the rest of your playthrough, instructions to finding your next step will be listed [[#Knowing_the_Way_with_the_Spoiler_Log|here]].

If you follow these steps and still need help, you’re welcome to ask for support in the [https://discordapp.com/channels/274180765816848384/274186223147417600 #questions-gameplay] channel of our [https://discord.gg/3VJPQNK Discord Server]. Make sure to provide your seed and setting string along with any important details about the issue. If it turns out you have indeed encountered a logical flaw, kind members of our team will report issues from there.

''This section of the Wiki is for Glitchless Logic; for more information on Glitched and Entrance Randomizer Logic, please view the [[Glitched_Logic|Glitched]] and [[Entrance_Randomizer|Entrance Randomizer]] sections of the Wiki.''

''It is also to document unusual logic you '''absolutely must''' know in a seed to finish a randomizer seed. Racers and individuals who wish to contribute to the randomizer by adding features with logical requirements might want or need to be familiar with the logic on a deeper level. They should view the [[Advanced Logic]] page for a better understanding of some of the more difficult to comprehend, but unnecessary to know by heart, logic quirks.''

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== Misconceptions ==
A lot of randomizer still requires you to meet the vanilla requirements to do certain things. It just so happens that sometimes vanilla takes shortcuts in how it does its logic since it's impossible to do certain things before other events, and sometimes it cannot take those shortcuts due to other reasons. These are the most common issues people have coming over to randomizer from vanilla.

=== Open the Door of Time ===
* Playing the Song of Time is the only requirement to opening the Door of Time. This means you only need a Fairy Ocarina and the Song of Time.
** In 3.0 and prior, if you warp to the Temple of Time with Prelude of Light, you must exit and reenter the Temple for the Song of Time to work correctly.

=== Ocarina of Time and Song of Time Cutscenes ===
This is the location near the Castle Town draw bridge that would normally play Zelda & Impa's escape cutscene.

* You must possess all 3 Spiritual Stones when approaching the Draw Bridge as a child to enable the Ocarina of Time location. Zora's Sapphire alone is not enough.

=== Can't Find the Running Man ===
* You must possess all 3 Spiritual Stones in order for him to be found running around Hyrule Field. Zora's Sapphire alone is not enough.

=== Burning Village/Nocturne of Shadow Cutscene ===
* Forest, Fire, and Water Medallions are needed and you have to enter the village as Adult.

== Problem Areas by Location ==
The rest of this page is about things in the randomizer logic that are unintuitive and do not occur while playing vanilla Ocarina of Time. If you need a reminder of how to progress in the game normally, you should make sure you have played vanilla Ocarina of Time within two weeks prior to playing randomizer the first time.

=== Kokiri Forest ===

==== Obtaining the Ocarina ====

*Leaving Kokiri Forest towards the Lost Woods Bridge will trigger the game to give you the Ocarina, or the item it is randomized to, regardless of age. When starting as adult this is a commonly missed location.

=== Lost Woods ===

==== Skull Kid won’t buy this sweet Skull Mask ====

*Skull Kid won’t buy Skull Mask until you befriend him with Saria’s Song.

=== Sacred Meadow ===

==== Saria won't teach you her song in Sacred Meadow ====

*Speak to Zelda at Hyrule Castle first.

==== Minuet of Meadow item ====

*Stand outside the Forest Temple as an adult.

=== Hyrule Field ===

==== Open grottos without Bombs ====

*Any grotto you can open with Bombs may also be opened with Hammer.
*Some grottos will only reveal themselves when you play Song of Storms.

=== Hyrule Castle ===

==== Wake up Talon ====

*Wake up Talon with a Cucco from the Weird Egg.

==== Entering the Castle ====

*Move the Milk Crates to create a platform you can jump off of to reach the sewer hole along the castle wall. Talon must be woken up first.

==== Reaching Zelda (Zelda's Lullaby location) ====

*Enter the Castle during the day, then avoid the guards Line of Sight.

=== Lon Lon Ranch ===

==== Malon won't teach her song (Epona's Song location) ====

*As a child, show her your Ocarina during the day.

==== Malon is missing ====

* Wake Talon up near the Hyrule Castle moat with a Cucco from the Weird Egg.

==== Talon is missing ====

*Use the Cucco you got from the Weird Egg to wake Talon up near Hyrule Castle moat to move him to Lon Lon Ranch.

=== Kakariko Village ===

==== Rear Entrance to Impa's House as Child ====

*Grab a chicken and take it to the incomplete house. Toss it up to the top of the pile of bricks and climb up after it. Once on top of the pile of bricks with the Chicken you can lift up the chicken and fly across to the Scaffolding, from here you follow behind the carpenter until you reach a good position to jump towards the entrance above the chicken coop.

==== Shooting Gallery gives 50 rupees ====

*The Fairy Bow/Quiver is required to win the special prize. Otherwise you will receive 50 rupees.

==== Can’t get onto rooftops without Longshot ====

*Yes you can. Get a little closer and use the Hookshot.

==== Song of Storms item ====

* Show an Ocarina to the Windmill operator as an adult.

==== Draining Kakariko Well ====

*Play the Song of Storms to the Windmill Operator as a child.

*Project 64 is known to have issues with this, among other things. For the purposes of this project, we can only recommend using a different emulator such as [[Bizhawk|Bizhawk]] or [[Retroarch|RetroArch]]. ''This bug most frequently arises when trying to drain the Well at night; attempting it during the day is less likely to cause this crash.''

=== Kakariko Graveyard ===

==== Obtaining the Sun's Song item ====

*Obtained via the Royal Family's Tomb which can be accessed by playing Zelda's Lullaby outside it.

=== Gerudo Fortress/Valley ===

==== Traversing the Gerudo Valley Broken Bridge ====

*You can cross the Broken Bridge as an Adult by using either Epona to jump it or Long Shotting the sign above the gate on the other side.

==== Entering Gerudo Training Grounds without being captured ====

*You must possess the Gerudo Membership Card and also rescue all of the Carpenters they have captured. If the Gerudo Membership Card is shuffled in to the Item Pool then you'll only need to find the card, you don't need to rescue the Carpenters to access the area.

==== Getting caught without a Hookshot ====

*Should you be caught by a Gerudo Guard, either inside during combat or outside by being seen, and do not posses a Hookshot, you will be thrown into the valley outside the tent rather into the jail cell from which you could not escape.

==== Horse archery NPC is missing or won't let you play the mini-game ====

*To play this minigame you'll need the Fairy Bow, Epona and Gerudo Membership Card. It must also be day time.

=== Gerudo Training Grounds ===

==== Lava room without Longshot ====

*You can reach the torch at the end of this room using only the Hookshot.

==== Timed boulder room without Longshot ====

*The target on the ceiling is just within range of the Hookshot if you stand directly under it.
*A wallmaster can also lift you up into the rupee if it’s the last one you need to collect.

=== Goron City ===

==== Reach Goron City from Lost Woods without Bombs ====

*You can ignite the Bomb Flowers behind the boulders using Din’s Fire.

==== Get large rolling Goron to relinquish goods ====

*Bomb the Goron in the dark tunnel near the sign (Bomb/Bombchu).

''In version 4.0 and older the Large Rolling Goron also requires you to be in possession of a Bomb Bag''

==== Boulder Maze without Bombs or Hammer ====

*Silver Guantlets are effective at clearing a path to each of the chests in the room. This will take some time, however.

==== Spinning Pottery ====

*The spinning Goron Pot is activated by lighting the torches surrounding it. This can be accomplished by lighting sticks from Darunia's chamber OR by casting Din's Fire.
*The Spinning Pot has 3 faces - Happy, Neutral, and Mad. Only the Happy face gives a randomized reward; Neutral give 3 bomb refills and Mad gives 3 green rupees.

=== Zora’s Domain ===

==== Access With Silver Scale ====

*If you have the Silver Scale you can access Zora's Domain as child from Lake Hylia

==== Need Blue Fire to unfreeze King Zora/Zora shop ====

*If you have access to Ganon’s Castle, Blue Fire can be found in Water Trial.
*Blue Fire may be a purchasable item for 300 rupees in non-shuffled shops.
*As usual, Blue Fire can be obtained in Ice Cavern.

=== Ice Cavern ===

==== Serenade of Water location ====

=== Lake Hylia ===

==== Go fishing ====

*You require an 8 pound fish as a Child or a 10 pound fish as an Adult.
*You must toss the lure in deep enough water to entice fish to bite. There's a minimum depth required for the mini-game to work, if you toss the Lure in very shallow water the fish may swim around the Lure but never bite.

==== Get Scarecrow’s Song ====

*In order to use the Scarecrow’s Song, you must teach it to Bonooru as a child, and remind him again as an adult.

==== Lake Hylia - Shooting the Sun with an arrow ====

*You can reach the tall rectangle island without filling the lake by using Scarecrow's Song and Longshot.
*You may not need to complete the Water Temple and raise the water level at Lake Hylia to aquire the item.
*The arrow must be fired at the sun during the early morning as per the written instructions on the stone platform you must fire from.

=== Temple of Time ===

==== Shiek cutscene near the Master Sword (Prelude of Light) ====

*Obtain the Forest Medallion and return to the Master Sword pedestal as an adult.

==== Zelda Light Arrow Cutscene ====

*Enter the Temple of Time with the Shadow and Spirit medallions in your possession.

=== Death Mountain Crater ===

==== Reach the lower Exit ====
*From the top of the tall ladder you can use the Hover Boots to hover over the boulder blocking the shortcut to Goron City (lower exit). You can also use the Hover Boots at the bottom of the ladder to bypass the Boulder.

==== Reach the bottom area for Bolero of Fire and access to Fire Temple ====

*From the top of the tall ladder you can use the Hover Boots to hover over the boulder blocking the shortcut to Goron City (lower exit), and across the dilapidated bridge to reach the Warp Platform & Fire Temple. You can also use the Hover Boots at the bottom of the ladder to bypass the Boulder.
*You can also reach this bottom area with the Longshot by jumping from the upper area onto the lava platforms below and shooting a wooden plank to pull yourself across the pool of lava.

=== Deku Tree ===

=== Dodongo's Cavern ===

=== Inside Jabu Jabu's Belly ===

==== First Switch ====

*The switch on the ceiling in the first room of Jabu Jabu's Belly can be hit using explosives.

=== Forest Temple ===

==== Get outside without Song of Time or Bow ====

*With Hover Boots you can float to the door connecting the large block-pushing room with the courtyard.

==== Cross to the other courtyard via Well ====

*With Gold Scale or Iron Boots you can cross from one courtyard to the other through the well

==== Can’t push large colored blocks as adult, wtf man?? ====

*In the Forest Temple the Goron’s Bracelet is required to push these blocks, even as adult. Link only put on gauntlets to keep his hands from drying out.

=== Fire Temple ===

==== Reach Volvagia without Hammer ====

*With Hover Boots equipped, it’s a simple matter of floating over to the boss door. That said, you’ll still need the Hammer to defeat the boss.

==== Skip the topmost locked door ====

*Similarly to Volvagia, you can skip the topmost locked door by using Hover boots to float over to the pillar. Then you can use the Hammer to open the door leading to the Highest Goron and Hammer Chest.

=== Water Temple ===

==== Boss Key chest without Bombs or Goron’s Bracelet ====

*Use the Hover Boots to reach the chest.

==== Getting past the timed gate without Longshot ====

*After shooting the eye switch, crossing the gap with Hover Boots will get you past the gate before it closes.

==== Center room’s Gold Skulltula without Longshot ====

*Cast Farore’s Wind inside the center room. Raise the water to its highest level and perform Farore's Wind again to return to the warp point. Swim to the surface to reach the Gold Skulltula.

==== I can’t raise the water level (optional) ====

*With the water level lowered, jump down to the second level of the central structure. This may require savewarping to the beginning of the dungeon to reach. Use the Hookshot to climb onto the top level. With a well-spaced rolling jump you should be able to reach the ledge where you can raise the water to its highest level. This isn't required but it's a handy time saver.

=== Shadow Temple ===

==== First silver rupee room without Hookshot ====

*You can get to the raised platform in the corner of the room by using the Hover Boots from the nearby low wall.

==== Spike floor room without Longshot ====

*Backflip onto the chest spawned in the middle of the room. From there you can use the Hookshot to reach the upper ledge.

==== Reach the boat without Goron’s Bracelet ====

*You can bypass pushing the large block by shooting the top of the ladder with a Hookshot.

==== Reach Bongo Bongo without the Fairy Bow ====

*Play the Scarecrow’s Song to summon Pierre. Shoot his face with the Longshot to get to the other side.

=== Desert Colossus ===

==== Requiem of Spirit ====

*Contrary to what's expected, the song you would acquire as an adult after leaving Spirit Temple can also be collected as a child. It is the same requirements as vanilla (Exit Spirit Temple) but normal runs through the game always have you visit as an adult, so this may catch some players unaware if they have never used sequence breaks before. If playing Entrance Randomizer, exit whichever dungeon is placed at Desert Colossus.

=== Spirit Temple ===

==== Lower metal bridge on child side without Boomerang ====

*You can just barely hit the switch with a well-placed slingshot shot.
*Alternatively, you can hit the crystal switch with a well-timed Bombchu placement in the opposite direction. Hopefully you’ll hit it, or you’ll have to go out and buy more Bombchus.

==== Map chest without Din’s Fire or Magic ====

*Child Link is perfectly capable of lighting the torches using only a Deku Stick.

==== Collect all the silver rupees in the boulder room without Hover Boots ====

*You can reach the floating rupee by jumping into the boulder with a jump slash, or even without hittng the boulder if you time the jump slash properly.

==== Silver Gauntlets chest from adult side using Longshot ====

*With a Longshot, shoot the chest opposite from the Mirror Shield chest to gain access to its contents and the end of child-side.

==== Boss Key Chest ====

*The Eye Switch can be accessed by hitting the fake door with something to make it fall over. You do not necessarily need to destroy the fake door.

=== Ganon’s Castle ===

==== Spirit Trial without Fire Arrows ====

*A precise shot of an arrow through the torch will burn the web to reveal the sunlight. Or moonlight. Maybe it’s a big lamp, idk.

==== Water Trial Blue Fire ====

*With your bridge requirement set to Open you may be required to use a bottle to bring Blue Fire to thaw King Zora or, if you have shopsanity active, to open the Zora Shop as adult if you can't access it as child.

== Knowing the Way with the Spoiler Log ==

The spoiler log contains information about your personally randomized copy of the game and can be very helpful when looking for important items you've missed. It takes only a few steps:

*'''Version 4.0 and 5.0 Web Seeds'''
*#Look for the web ID in your ROM's file name. It should be formatted as <code>OoT_WEBID_SEED.z64</code>.
*#Copy this link into your address bar, but do not click Go or hit Enter yet: <code><nowiki>https://ootrandomizer.com/seed/get?id=#####</nowiki></code>
*#Replace <code>#####</code> with the web ID for your seed. Now click Go or hit Enter.
*#Near the top of the page you should see a red button that says "Spoiler Log." Click it to access your spoiler log.
*'''Versions 1.0 - 3.0 and Standalone Download'''
*#Open the spoiler log generated alongside your ROM. It should be formatted as <code>OoT_SETTINGSTR_SEED_Spoiler.txt</code>.
*#Scroll down to the section labeled ''Way of the Hero''.
*#Ensure that you have collected all the items listed in the section, as they are essential to beating the game.

Entrance Randomizer

2019-12-19T14:15:13Z

Aspeon:

The "Entrance Shuffle" setting in the Randomizer allows players to randomize loading zones (also called "entrances") connecting the world. Almost all entrances, including dungeon entrances, grottos, graves, houses, fairies, overworld entrances and owl drops can be randomized, depending on the option selected.

The most important thing to note is that all entrances are kept bidirectional, which means going through a loading zone from one side, then going back through the same loading zone will lead you back where you came from.

Another major aspect is that entrances are always shuffled with other entrances of the same type. For example, dungeon entrances will always lead to some dungeon, and overworld entrances will always lead to some overworld area, coming from an overworld entrance.

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== Available ER Modes ==

Different modes are available, which are incrementally more random and more difficult.

=== Dungeons Only ===

Randomize dungeon entrances, which includes all medallion and stone dungeons, along with Bottom of the Well, Ice Cavern and Gerudo Training Grounds, but not Ganon's Castle.

In order to improve dungeon entrance randomization, the Deku Tree and Bottom of the Well entrances are both open as adult, and boulders blocking the way to Fire Temple as child are also removed to allow child to reach the Fire Temple entrance. However, the Bottom of the Well entrance can only be accessed as adult after draining the well by playing the Song of Storms in the Windmill as child. And when playing with "Closed Deku", you still have to show Mido your Deku Shield and Kokiri Sword before you can access the Deku Tree as adult.

Lake Hylia will be filled for adult when defeating Morpha, which will also give Link the ability the control the lake water level by using the special Gossip Stone.

Dungeon blue warps will return Link in front of the new dungeon entrance leading to that blue warp.

=== Simple Indoors (Formerly "All Indoors") ===

Randomize all dungeon entrances as described above along with most Grottos and Interiors. Dungeons, Grottos and Interiors constitute 3 different pools of entrances which are only shuffled in their own pool.

Grottos include all grottos in the game, with small Fairy Fountains and the Lost Woods Stage. Graves are also shuffled among Grottos, but this "simple" option doesn't include Dampe's Grave since it leads to the Windmill.

Interiors shuffled in this pool include most Houses and all Great Fairies in the game. This option excludes a few special Interior entrances: Richard's House, Link's House, Temple of Time, the Windmill, the Kakariko Potion Shop and Gerudo Fortress interiors.

When shuffling interiors, adult trade quest timers are disabled and trade items never revert, even when you die or when you load your save, in order to keep the quest compatible with entrances being shuffled around.

=== All Indoors ===

Randomize all entrances from the "Simple Indoors" option, along with a few extra entrances leading to special places that were excluded from the "simple" option.

Those additional entrances are currently for: the Kakariko Potion Shop, Link's House, Temple of Time, the Windmill and Dampe's Grave. However, entrances leading to Richard's House and all the Gerudo Fortress Interiors are still not shuffled.

This option is incompatible with closed forest so it forces the "Open Forest" option to be enabled.

Otherwise, the option is the same as "Simple Indoors", and it includes all its changes.

=== All Indoors & Overworld ===

Randomize all Indoor entrances like in "All Indoors", and adds Overworld entrances as a new separate pool.

Overworld entrances include almost all loading zones between overworld areas, for example: Hyrule Field to Lake Hylia.

Some overworld loading zones are kept vanilla to avoid potential issues:

*The Castle Courtyard and Garden entrances (leading to Zelda) aren't shuffled, to avoid various issues.
*Gerudo Valley to Lake Hylia by the stream is not changed and always vanilla, since it is a special one-way entrance.
*Market Back Alley entrances are not changed and kept as a part of Market, to ensure the Richard item can be obtained.

Owl Drop positions are also randomized as an extra way to get somewhere in the overworld, but the owl still only takes off from Lake Hylia and Death Mountain Summit when Link is a child.

However, warp songs are not randomized and playing any song will lead you to their usual destination.

Some cutscenes are changed to bring the player to a more suitable place in this mode:

*Impa's escort brings you to the entrance of Hyrule Castle Grounds from the market, instead of bringing you to Hyrule Field.
*Getting caught by Gerudo Guards in the child Valley always throws you in the Valley stream, even if you have a Hookshot. And getting caught inside the Fortress brings you at the Fortress entrance from Valley if you are child or don't have a Hookshot. But you are still thrown in the jail if you are adult and have a Hookshot.
*Leaping over the fences with Epona in Lon Lon Ranch always leads to where the main entrance leads, acting as if you left Lon Lon Ranch from the main entrance.

Includes all changes from "All Indoors" and previous options.

== ER Logic Quirks ==

=== Desert Colossus ===

*Escaping Spirit Temple from the hands can allow you to reach Desert Colossus which you may not be able to reach otherwise.
*The Requiem of Spirit cutscene is triggered when exiting the dungeon accessible from the entrance in Desert Colossus. This also means it still belongs to Desert Colossus and is included in that area when mentioned in hints.

=== Deku Tree ===

*You can completely skip the basement as adult since you are tall enough to just grab the ledge.
*You may be required to setup the push block as adult then come back as child to reverse through the crawlspace to access the basement backrooms with neither a bow nor a slingshot.
*A Hylian shield is required as adult to stun scrubs in order to access both the slingshot room and Queen Gohma. The mirror shield does not work.

=== Jabu Jabu's Belly ===

*As adult you need a scale to reach the deku scrub. It can also be done with a well positioned jump into the water but that's not considered in logic.
*Ruto is present when you're adult and the boomerang chest can be fully accessed as adult.

=== Forest Temple ===

*The gold skulltula in the first room on the wall can be killed with Din's Fire or any projectile, without the need of a hookshot.
*The Kokiri Sword can be used to kill Stalfos as child, other ways are possible but aren't considered in logic.
*The Song of Time block leading to the north-west outside area is absent during child time. You may be expected to access this area as child with no items.
*The chest and gold skulltula on the island in the north-west outdoors area is accessible from the falling ceiling room (going the long way around), and accessing them this way may be required if you don't have a hookshot. The skulltula can be killed from above and looted as you drop down.

=== Fire Temple ===

*If Fewer Tunic Requirements is enabled and you have access to Fire Temple as child, you may be required to reach the chest near the boss door and near the first goron under the Song of Time block, which doesn't need any items. Nothing else is considered in logic as child in Fire Temple.

=== Water Temple ===

*Once you have drained the water to the lowest level as adult, you may be able to come back as child and do a few extra things:
**Get the gold skulltula in the central pillar room using Farore's Wind and a Boomerang.
**Use sticks to light the torches to access the shell blades (compass in vanilla) room then kill the shell blades with a Kokiri Sword magic spin attack.

=== Ice Cavern ===

*You may be able to do things in Ice Cavern as child if you have access to blue fire from somewhere else, or if adult can get some in Ice Cavern beforehand.
*The Serenade cutscene triggers as child as well in ER, so you may get that song location even if you don't have access to Ice Cavern as adult.

=== Gerudo Training Grounds ===

*A slingshot can be used to trigger eye targets, which you may be required to do as child in the lobby.
*The Kokiri Sword can be used to kill Stalfos and Dinolfos as child, other ways are possible but aren't considered in logic.
*The Song of Time blocks leading to the right side are present by default during child time. This means you can access the right side maze as child with no keys nor Song of Time.

=== Adult Trade Quest ===

*Trade Quest timers are disabled in ER when interior entrances are shuffled, in which case you can play warp songs to deliver quest items. In these settings, Adult trade items also never revert or downgrade, even when loading a save or when dying, so you may be expected to deliver timed trade items even if you can't do the whole timed process. This also means you can save & quit to deliver any trade items.

=== Talon's House behind a night entrance ===

*When shuffling interiors, it's possible for Talon's House to end up behind a night only entrance, even though Talon's chickens game can only be played during the day. In this situation, Sun's Song can be played from inside Talon's House to change time to day and play the game as usual.

=== Dampe's Hut as child ===

*Dampe's hut entrance can be accessed as child but only at night while Dampe is outside doing his tour.

=== Dampe's Race ===

*At the end of Dampe's Race, you can play Song of Time to gain access to the top part of the Windmill, which can in turn grant you access to wherever the Windmill entrance is.
*If you have access to his grave as child, you can race Dampe in that age for the first reward. You can also race him again under a minute for the second reward but you won't be logically expected to do so as child unless you enable the corresponding logic trick.

=== Death Mountain Trail ===

*The bean in front of Dodongo's Cavern can get adult Link to the upper part of the trail (fairy fountain/Biggoron/crater entrance) without explosives or hammer.

=== Lost Woods Bridge ===

*Saria's Gift cutscene is only triggered when entering the bridge from the Kokiri Forest entrance, but not when coming from the Hyrule Field side.
*Getting on the Lost Woods Bridge from the rest of Lost Woods can be done in 4 ways as adult, starting from the bean patch area:
**Using the longshot on the far side of the bridge
**Using the hover boots by walking on the trunk between the bean patch area and the bridge
**Riding the bean and dropping down on the bridge at the right moment
**Jumping onto the bridge with very precise movement, but you won't be logically expected to do this unless you enable the corresponding trick
*It's also possible to go down from the Bridge to the rest of Lost Woods by using the longshot on the ladder near the bean patch.

=== Gerudo Valley as adult ===

*The bridge can be repaired by rescuing carpenters in Gerudo Fortress, which may unlock new access to the fortress side of the valley, even if you don't have the longshot or Epona.
*There is a grotto hidden in the valley below a silver boulder which is normally considered useless but may be important in ER. It can be found on the ledge on the other side of the heart piece crate.

=== Gerudo Valley as child ===

*When coming from the fortress/tent side of the valley, you can cross to reach the other side by avoiding guards carefully then jumping down on the bridge.
*If guards catch you in the valley as child, they will always throw you in the stream and you will end up in Lake Hylia.
*The storms grotto supposed to be behind the tent is not there in child time so it won't appear even if you play the Song of Storms at the right position.

=== Gerudo Fortress as child ===

*Rescuing carpenters can be achieved as child just like you would as adult, and you will be properly rewarded with the Gerudo Card (or the corresponding reward if you enabled "Shuffle Gerudo Card").
*The Wasteland gate can only be opened as adult but this will also open it for child, so you can then come back and access the other side of the gate as child if necessary.
*The storms grotto supposed to be behind boxes is not there in child time so it won't appear even if you play the Song of Storms at the right position.

=== Fairies ===

*When shuffling entrances, you might not have easy access to a source of fairies to catch so here are all the ways you can reliably obtain them:
**If you have access to any small Fairy Fountain grotto, you can get all the fairies you need there. Similarly, if you have access to Ganon's Castle, you can find fairies in the room where Deku Scrubs are.
**Some pots contain fairies you can catch. You can find some inside Fire Temple, Dodongo's Cavern, Forest Temple, Water Temple, Jabu Jabu's Belly as well as in Water Trial and the Haunted Wasteland structure.
**Playing Zelda's Lullaby, Song of Time, Epona's Song or Sun's Song near any gossip stone summons a fairy you can catch. Note that Sun's Song can only be used for that purpose in places where playing it doesn't reload the area.
**Playing the Song of Storms on the platform near the dry pond in Desert Colossus can turn it into a nice oasis with many fairies flying around it.
**Planting a bean as child and playing the Song of Storms near it triggers a cutscene which results in summoning 3 fairies you can catch.
**Some areas have butterflies which you can turn into fairies by holding out a stick and slowly walking to lead them around until they transfrom.
*As usual, fairies may be necessary to survive damage in high damage settings like "OHKO" so you will be guaranteed at least one of the sources above if you need them.

Logic

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= '''“My Seed Is Broken!” (Glitchless Logic)''' =

Solutions to completing randomized runs of ''Ocarina of Time'' can sometimes be unintuitive. While your seed may appear to be unbeatable, this isn’t often the case. Thanks to developers much smarter than myself, OoTR’s logic is surprisingly robust. Listed below are some common sources of confusion, grouped by location. If you don’t mind spoiling the rest of your playthrough, instructions to finding your next step will be listed [[#knowing-the-way-with-the-spoiler-log|here]].

If you follow these steps and still need help, you’re welcome to ask for support in the [https://discordapp.com/channels/274180765816848384/274186223147417600 #questions-gameplay] channel of our [https://discord.gg/3VJPQNK Discord Server]. Make sure to provide your seed and setting string along with any important details about the issue. If it turns out you have indeed encountered a logical flaw, kind members of our team will report issues from there.

 

== Problem Areas by Location ==

=== Link’s House: ===

==== Stuck beside bed ====

*Tilt the Control Stick to move around. Go through the door and you will reach Kokiri Forest. The game gets much easier from there.

=== Hyrule Field ===

==== Open grottos without Bombs ====

*Any grotto you can open with Bombs may also be opened with Hammer.
*Some grottos will only reveal themselves when you play Song of Storms.

==== Can't find Running Man ====

*You must possess all 3 Spiritual Stones in order for him to be found running around Hyrule Field.

==== Can't find Ocarina of Time near the Castle Town draw bridge ====

*You must possess all 3 Spiritual Stones when approaching the Draw Bridge as a child to enable the Ocarina of Time location.

=== Lon Lon Ranch ===

==== Malon won't teach her song ====

*As a child, show her your Ocarina during the day.

==== Talon is missing ====

*Use the Cuckoo you got from the Weird Egg to wake Talon up near Hyrule Castle moat to move him to Lon Lon Ranch.

 

=== Kakariko Village: ===

==== Shooting Gallery gives 50 rupees ====

*The Fairy Bow/Quiver is required to win the special prize. Otherwise you will receive 50 rupees.

==== Can’t get onto rooftops without Longshot ====

*Yes you can. Get a little closer and use the Hookshot.

==== Well won't drain ====

*Project 64 is known to have issues with this, among other things. For the purposes of this project, we can only recommend using a different emulator such as Bizhawk or RetroArch. (This bug most frequently arrises when trying to drain the Well at night; attempting it during the day is less likely to cause this crash.)

=== Gerudo Fortress/Valley: ===

==== Struggling to figure out how to cross the Broken Bridge ====

*You can cross the Broken Bridge as an Adult by using either Epona to jump it or Long Shotting the sign above the gate on the other side.

==== Can't enter Gerudo Training Grounds without being captured ====

*You must possess the Gerudo Membership Card and also rescue all of the Carpenters they have captured.

 

=== Goron City: ===

==== Reach Goron City from Lost Woods without Bombs ====

*You can ignite the Bomb Flowers behind the boulders using Din’s Fire.

==== Get big rolling Goron to relinquish goods ====

*Even if you have serious Zelda skills (or Bombchus), a Bomb Bag is required. Bomb the Goron in the tunnel near the sign. ''(In Dev version 4.0.7+, Large Rolling Goron no longer checks for possession of a Bomg Bag; however, explosives must still be used within the tunnel area.)''

==== Boulder Maze without Bombs or Hammer ====

*Silver Guantlets are effective at clearing a path to each of the chests in the room. This will take some time, however.

=== Lost Woods: ===

==== Skull Kid won’t buy this sweet Skull Mask ====

*Skull Kid won’t buy Skull Mask until you befriend him with Saria’s Song.

=== Sacred Meadow: ===

==== Saria won't teach you her song in Sacred Meadow ====

*Speak to Zelda at Hyrule Castle first.

=== Zora’s Domain: ===

==== Need Blue Fire to unfreeze King Zora/Zora shop ====

*If you have access to Ganon’s Castle, Blue Fire can be found in Water Trial.
*Blue Fire may be a purchasable item for 300 rupees in non-shuffled shops.
*As usual, Blue Fire can be obtained in Ice Cavern.

=== Lake Hylia: ===

==== Go fishing ====

*You require an 8 pound fish as a Child or a 10 pound fish as an Adult.

==== Get Scarecrow’s Song ====

*In order to use the Scarecrow’s Song, you must teach it to Bonooru as a child, and remind him again as an adult.

==== Lake Hylia - Shooting the Sun with an arrow ====

*You can reach the tall rectangle island without filling the lake by using Scarecrow's Song and Longshot.
*You do not need to complete the Water Temple and raise the water level at Lake Hylia to aquire the item.
*The arrow must be fired at the sun during the early morning as per the written instructions on the wood platform you must fire from.

=== Temple of Time: ===

==== Open Door of Time ====

*Playing the Song of Time is the only requirement to opening the Door of Time. In 3.0 and prior, if you warp to the Temple of Time with Prelude of Light, you must exit and reenter the Temple for the Song of Time to work correctly.

=== Forest Temple: ===

==== Get outside without Song of Time or Bow ====

*With Hover Boots you can float to the door connecting the large block-pushing room with the courtyard.

==== Can’t push large colored blocks as adult, wtf man?? ====

*The Goron’s Bracelet is required to push these blocks, even as adult. Link only put on gauntlets to keep his hands from drying out.

=== Death Mountain Crater: ===

==== Reach the bottom area for Bolero of Fire and access to Fire Temple ====

*Using only the Hover Boots, you can float down to the shortcut to Goron City, and across the dilapidated bridge.
*You can also reach this bottom area with Scarecrow’s Song and the Longshot by jumping onto the platforms below and pulling yourself across the pool of lava.

=== Fire Temple: ===

==== Reach Volvagia without Hammer ====

*With Hover Boots equipped, it’s a simple matter of floating over to the boss door. That said, you’ll need the Hammer to actually ''do'' anything in there.

 

=== Water Temple: ===

==== Boss Key chest without Bombs or Goron’s Bracelet ====

*Use the Hover Boots to reach the chest.

==== Getting past the gate without Longshot ====

*After shooting the eye switch, crossing the gap with Hover Boots will get you past the gate before it closes.

==== Center room’s Gold Skulltula without Longshot ====

*Cast Farore’s Wind inside the center room. Raise the water to its highest level and return to the warp point. Swim to the surface to reach the Gold Skulltula.

==== I can’t raise the water level ====

*With the water level lowered, jump down to the second level of the central structure (may require savewarping to the begining of the dungeon to reach). Use the Hookshot to climb onto the top level. With a well-spaced rolling jump you should be able to reach the ledge where you can raise the water to its highest level. This isn't required but it's a handy time saver.

 

=== Shadow Temple: ===

==== First silver rupee room without Hookshot ====

*You can get to the raised platform in the corner of the room by using the Hover Boots from the nearby low wall.

==== Spike floor room without Longshot ====

*Backflip onto the chest spawned in the middle of the room. From there you can use the Hookshot to reach the upper ledge.

==== Reach the boat without Goron’s Bracelet ====

*You can bypass pushing the large block by shooting the top of the ladder with a Hookshot.

==== Reach Bongo Bongo without the Fairy Bow ====

*Play the Scarecrow’s Song to summon Pierre. Shoot his face with the Longshot to get to the other side.

=== Spirit Temple: ===

==== Lower metal bridge on child side without Boomerang ====

*You can just barely hit the switch with a well-placed slingshot shot.
*Alternatively, you can hit the crystal switch with a well-timed Bombchu placement in the opposite direction. Hopefully you’ll hit it, or you’ll have to go out and buy more Bombchus.

==== Map chest without Din’s Fire or Magic ====

*Child Link is perfectly capable of lighting the torches using only a Deku Stick.

==== Collect all the silver rupees in the boulder room without Hover Boots ====

*You can reach the floating rupee by jumping into the boulder with a jump slash, or even without hititng the boulder if you time the jumpslash properly.

==== Silver Gauntlets chest from adult side using Longshot ====

*With a Longshot, shoot the chest opposite from the Mirror Shield chest to gain access to its contents and the end of child-side.

=== Gerudo Training Grounds: ===

==== Lava room without Longshot ====

*You can reach the torch at the end of this room using only the Hookshot.

==== Timed boulder room without Longshot ====

*The target on the ceiling is just within range of the Hookshot if you stand directly under it.
*A wallmaster can also lift you up into the rupee if it’s the last one you need to collect.

=== Ganon’s Castle ===

==== Spirit Trial without Fire Arrows ====

*A precise shot of an arrow through the torch will burn the web to reveal the sunlight. Or moonlight. Maybe it’s a big lamp, idk.

==== Water Trial Blue Fire ====

*With your bridge requirement set to Open you may be required to use a bottle to bring Blue Fire to thaw King Zora or, if you have shopsanity active, to open the Zora Shop as adult if you can't access it as child.

== Knowing the Way with the Spoiler Log ==

The spoiler log can be very helpful when looking for important items you missed. It takes only a few steps:

#'''4.0 '''
##Look for the web ID in your ROM's file name. It should be formatted as <code>OoT_WEBID_SEED.z64</code>.
##Copy this link into your address bar, but do not click Go or hit Enter yet: <nowiki>https://ootrandomizer.com/seed/get?id=#####</nowiki>
##Replace <code>#####</code> with the web ID for your seed. Now click Go or hit Enter.
##Near the top of the page you should see a red button that says "Spoiler Log." Click it to access your spoiler log.

#'''3.0 and Older '''
##Open the spoiler log generated alongside your ROM. It should be formatted as <code>OoT_SETTINGSTR_SEED_Spoiler.txt</code>.
##Scroll down to the section labeled ''Way of the Hero''.
##Ensure that you have collected all the items listed in the section, as they are essential to beating the game.